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 Li Xiaomeng: If you love someone, put him into the human flesh search engine, and as soon as you can see him; if you hate a person, you can also put him on the search for human flesh, so he could immediately understand what the hell taste, and now more and more problems to accept the virtual world test of the real world, just ten days ago, a deputy should be made to pass laws to restrict the form of human flesh search to find out related news.
br> machine search, the process of changing a single query for privacy and other issues related to, walk the edge of the law and morality.
Guo Wenjun, Beijing Olympic gold medal hero .8 second on 10, Jun Guo gold medal came news networks: her mother divorced and looking to use gold years of his father. netizen then immediately search for the promoters of meat to help find the parent title. human flesh search is the consequences of bad things out of control, the father of many true and false information about flying Guo, accusations against Father Guo, abuse intensified, Champion Female Women bear the ultimate statement of their anger and disturbance.
2006 年 3 months, child cat events, child cat in the three key parties have been human flesh search engine to find. This is the first national success of human flesh search operations, but also The first triggered a huge search on the controversial human flesh.
, the brought to the cusp. This year in March, .2005 Korea Standing Committee members Zhu Zhigang, a group discussion in the Criminal Law Amendment (g) proposed by the draft: behavior, proposed that human flesh search on what should or should not control, how should tube, please tell us about the four guests.
two Internet industry practitioners, network marketing planners, Yang Xiuyu, End of the World Online Marketing Director, Liu Big Wave ; two diametrically opposed views of media commentators, Hainan University School of Law associate professor Wang Lin, Wang Zhian senior media people.
Li Xiaomeng: Chi An, know that you recently made an article on human flesh search is very distinctive point of view, light out of your ideas first.
Wang Zhian: I think the human flesh search more than the most recent discussion, there are many who believe that human flesh search is the process of a modern network technology, should not address this technology itself and then add the law to manage, in fact, the protection of personal privacy has been the law, and should no longer be for the human search for special legal control of the. For example, it is equivalent to a knife, which the vegetable knife either, and can kill, but we can not say that any knife, we have legal sanction.
Li Xiaomeng: the search for human flesh should not pipe the pipe, what is your attitude?
Wang Zhian: The tube.
Li Xiaomeng: how a tube?
Wang Zhian: I think the meat should actually search for the promoters to carry out such acts legal restrictions, human flesh search the first thing to someone, someone in the network launched against a third person information or warrant that the collection, and then the arrest warrant was based on the information collection or to supplement each of us that know this information, I think sponsors of this behavior was contrary to law is suspect. < br> Li Xiaomeng: You have to explain what human flesh search a bit, but your view is that restrictive use of the words that can not be used altogether, or that screening under different circumstances, and then see how to treat it?
Wang Zhian: If you put in front of a third person for the information collection make this take away, in fact, human search does not exist, it becomes our general online information search, such as Baidu, Google the same, is it search for information is the network established there, both, the human flesh search engine was first launched to solicit, and then a lot of people go through the network added the following information.
Li Xiaomeng: Notes On a matter of fact just cited an example, he Some people say human flesh search metaphor of a knife, the knife should or should not control, or how people on the knife tube method, in fact, the analogy is with me to Mr. Wang Lin, and put your ideas out. < br> Wang Lin: I think the human flesh search without original sin, just like Chi brother just talked about security, and human flesh search is like a knife, sword or blog whether it is safe for the gun brother to turn it up high, we can not say that people with guns or gun behavior is sinful, and we can only say that a gun is guilty of murder, so if you want to talk about human flesh search should be the act of intentional killing, not the behavior of a gun.
Wang Zhian: Yes, yes, but we will think, why most countries do not allow freedom of every person holding guns? If we only gun murder this behavior is that we can make everyone free to hold arms, the question is too easy killing people, and knives to kill people so easy to not shoot. We then step forward in this conclusion, such as missile or the atomic bomb, this weapons of mass destruction, virtually every country in the international community are in strict control, including the United States, although held to allow citizens to freedom of firearms, but also in the United States to spare no effort to implement the international ban on the sale of the most massive destruction weapons, why can not everyone free of weapons of mass destruction? In fact the essential reason, you say we enact a law, for example, you only hold weapons of mass destruction, when it is against the law to kill , not too likely to cause massive damage of the.
Li Xiaomeng: restricted weapons is to ensure the safety of most people, you feel the human flesh search is restricted to protect what, maintaining what?
Wang Zhian: I think it should be protect the privacy of ordinary citizens, I think is this.
Li Xiaomeng: Wang Lin, you mean you can not protect the personal privacy, so the flesh can not limit the search you?
Wang Lin: No, While the protection of personal privacy, but users in the human search process inherent in freedom of expression, is one of the basic human rights of citizens, but also equal protection.
Li Xiaomeng: privacy with freedom of expression or co-ordination between with conflicting information?
Wang Lin: they have a consistent place, will produce conflict.
Wang Zhian: When conflict?
Wang Lin: We can search for human flesh is divided into several parts, The first part, just like Chi brother just mentioned safety, in fact, human flesh search is only one of the promoters of the human flesh search warrant to call a group of friends search for the process of human flesh, and they may take the form are as follows species, first, using traditional Web search technology, Baidu, Google search for information on the Internet that already exist, I think this part of the human flesh search engine does not involve any as just another brother Chi An example cited, the promoters may be meat in Internet users search for posts, he will be calling some of the crowd around the target search, the use of net social reality under some relationships among the search of his personal privacy, To view this distinction is not necessarily all be searched in the net under the targeted behavior is human flesh search would violate the privacy of individual citizens, there are times when he may not be infringed.
Li Xiaomeng: Wang Lin, the view is between personal privacy and freedom of expression is sometimes common, can be coordinated, but we have to define what, what is included in personal privacy in the end, I would like to hear the views of big waves.
Liu Big Wave: This question I would like to explain, in fact, the concept on the human flesh search is the king of the teacher just said that someone must be initiated, in fact, the Internet is not necessarily the case that it may be a spontaneous act, may be such as a User, He expressed concern that a person's information, he went to check some out of it published.
Li Xiaomeng: This is not the behavior you initiated?
Liu Tai Long: He is not to say there is a clear call initiated, he is not that if we want to search for such and such a message, we go, this is not entirely.
Li Xiaomeng: Why do you want more of this truth, is there a clear act initiated?
Liu Big Wave: This is simple, because Wang was first proposed, the meat of the promoters bound to conduct the search behavior, in fact, this is our future to be discussed, if not a clear launch, we are in a group sexual conduct (Should constraints) . The second point, in fact, I prefer to say that human flesh search is social search, but do not want to simply understand it as a human meat sounds like a bit of a chilling concept, in fact it is the use of technology means, such as through our search tool, also used the reality of our society, sometimes reasoning, sometimes we provide information on some of the real world is the use of a variety of tools, or even the collective wisdom can be considered a result of such a behavior.
Li Xiaomeng: I would like to ask Yang Xiuyu, I know you have a network called the Legislative Second, many users will immediately hear the name you associate with some events, it can be said Yang Xiuyu is human flesh search the object being searched, have had such experiences, how do you think of privacy in the Internet Age What is included?
Yangxiu Yu: I think privacy is mainly divided two, in part, personal information, the other is a personal experience , there may be some things that I do not want to be open, I think this belongs as part of privacy.
Li Xiaomeng: What is your experience has been reluctant to publicly disclosed, there do?
Yang Xiuyu: Yes. I basically all the personal information disclosed by netizens have also been human flesh search, search to, and is open and spread. For example, I have been to college romance, or even say the name of my college classmates, my college teacher, including family, home address, including phone numbers have also been searching out human flesh.
Wang Lin: privacy in law, as long as the parties do not want to publicly available information, and no laws specifically that information must be open to be part of privacy, I understand the legislation two said. if his personal information is posted on a public Internet, we just simply a search through Baidu will be able to get, but in human flesh search process, users This information is made to a classification and provide a source of specific personal information, I think that this is not related to the infringement of the privacy of individual citizens.
Li Xiaomeng: Notes On how do you see?
Wang Zhian: I think This also needs to discuss, because the network is different propagation times, so many of our first times the normal behavior of the network to the Internet age may be a problem. In fact, Wang said some of the earlier era of the first network will be problems, For example, this behavior is that your people's personal privacy, people do not want to publish, even if not in this Internet age, this should be punished by law. But I think in the Internet age, complexity of the problem in the area? in the promoter of Meat the search process, each person may have been legitimate supplementary information, but gathered together, you can personal privacy of these would constitute an extremely negative consequences, that you find in the human search process, you Can not find victimizers, but obviously the civil rights have been violated, this may need to study because of a law, if a citizen's rights have been violated, and no victimizers, then it must To adjust the law.
Liu Big Wave: I have a little Wang said, is whether there is original sin of human flesh search problems, express views that the king, when the teacher identified the first human flesh search to bring all bad children, We have just seen in front of the film inside, there are many examples, in fact, sometimes involving human search to disclose personal privacy of citizens and so the type of problems, but more may be a played a citizens oversight, public opinion The role of supervision in this area, in fact, I even think in a sense, a vast number of Internet users reflect the sense of social responsibility, such as the assumed human flesh search itself is bad, bad thing in itself, but the word sounds seems a bit creepy, what we are exposed down to discuss personal privacy, and so the type of problems, why not say that we see human flesh search brought some positive role it?
Li Xiaomeng: You talked about a responsibility, users have the responsibility of this oversight, need not be the responsibility of what people can do given that some of the acts above?
Wang Zhian: I think I have seen, indeed, in many cases human flesh search play the role of public opinion, for example, a number of corrupt officials do not want to release some privacy, but was out after the search, led to the man finished. We assume that we are able to invent a machine that everyone go out from here to can automatically identify the person is not corrupt, identify automatically after completing his head cut off, this is a good machine it. But the accuracy of this machine a little bit too high, the middle of every ten people will victimizes a , that is, the middle ten nine corrupt head cut off, but another person got in trouble, is an ordinary citizen, do you think this machine can be extended? I do not think so.
Liu Tai Long: I think you put human flesh search together with the machine on the other, itself is an inappropriate analogy, human flesh search is the User is a supervisory role, he did not make judgments. Taijiaduzhi Taoist search for Liaoning female flesh that thing, by this means to users She found, she was condemned by public opinion, this is a public opinion, friends he has no responsibility to judge the guilt or innocence, or he is corrupt or not corrupt.
Li Xiaomeng: User posts by the do not determine which language?
Liu Tai Long: I believe that, but this problem is to return to the most fundamental things, do you think human flesh search is good is bad, I was just saying it cited the positive side, I think that Wang first defined the human flesh search as a negative thing, and this is not right.
Wang Zhian: I did not mean.
Li Xiaomeng: But one thing, I think most of them both advantages and disadvantages, when we decided to want to limit it, or lower the damage, then how do we go to the advantages and disadvantages reference?
Wang Zhian: I think the legal rights of all citizens equal protection should be , whether this person is corrupt or an innocent people, he should be on the right to equal protection, you can not say this thing because it is corrupt, he will not enjoy the protection of privacy, put him out, this thing is good. The This man is an ordinary citizen, we do harm to him to constitute, in fact, we are unable to distinguish between right, he is a citizen.
Li Xiaomeng: Wang Lin You say there is no original sin of human flesh search, you admit it or not human flesh search engine will cause a certain degree of damage?
Wang Lin: I admit, but I think the brother of Chi An example given earlier there is a misconception that he mistakenly put the search for human flesh search behavior and the search for human flesh after the Internet users take advantage of these public information search process, a judge made confused, we are talking about is the human flesh search itself, not the human flesh search come this information, users how to judge, how do a moral condemnation of the problem.
Li Xiaomeng: between the two can be separated it? means that we only provide information, not to judge, can you? there no one is powered search event can be done simply only provide information, not to moral judgments?
Wang Lin: can not, as we have the examples, a knife, it can be used to kill, can also be used vegetable, but you can not be constrained I bought a knife acts to bind with a knife you can only kill that behavior, we can go to the condemnation of some Internet users regardless of personal privacy, the use of these public information, wielding the big stick of morality, on the presumption of guilt of a person to be searched invasion of privacy down the situation, I also agree with this behavior, that should be condemned, but I do not think that human flesh search itself should be condemned.
Li Xiaomeng: But the reality we see, there is no way that the judge dropped across the board , the information left behind.
Liu Tai Long: not to say no way, in fact, Wang said that earlier in time, first to assume the consequences of human flesh search must be negative, because of privacy exposure, so that human flesh search is problematic, in fact, such as the Internet is available through all aspects of site management, and so something is bound to some extent, such as on our website, if this individual citizens Privacy logout to go, we will remove, this is possible. So, for example in the case of death out of the blog, and to paint his house, this is not the human flesh search their own thing out.
Wang Zhian: I agree, the behavior of Internet users may search process in human flesh, there were moral judgments, he is not easy to separate, but in the legal sanctions on the share is actually very clear, but I want to say, even after stripping out half, only to see the first part, it is still problematic. Wang Lin is always talking about this knife, I say you can not restrain the behavior of knife to buy, in fact, in our society, buying behavior is constrained knife , the control of the tool is not buy the gun you just can not buy, though you buy a gun I just want to practice shooting to play, not allowed, why? is because potentially damaging the tool itself, too.
Liu Tai Long: I do not know the control you have to buy a kitchen knife?
Wang Zhian: control tool is in the affirmative.
Li Xiaomeng: now have to define what human flesh search knife, kitchen knife can buy, but long or a knife will not do, how do you define what knife.
Liu Tai Long: So this is a very complex issue, because I think the human flesh search is a process, is a search process.
Yang Xiuyu: I also want to interrupt you, I told Mr. Liu's views are not the same. I think the human flesh search is actually divided into four phases, the first may still have one, may not be accurate or inaccurate definition, there are always originator or sponsor the reason this subject I may not be identified. users will have the second stage, the mood changes, will take part in this human flesh search. The third stage is to find the privacy to be exposed, in fact I think it is more frightening That part of the privacy of Internet users after the acts of exposure, if the privacy of exposure, if the users are rational, the rational behavior of Internet users, we would not have attacked him personally, or even attack the real world does not produce.
Li Xiaomeng: Chi Ann I would like to ask you, read so many people powered search events, which event is that you think violated your bottom line, a little less able to tolerate the?
Wang Zhian: I think this example a lot, just said that Liaoning girl incident, during the earthquake, a woman made a video on the Internet, she said, constitutes a disaster impact on her life, she insults and the like, users initiate the search to find her from all the personal information to the public security organs arrested her only half the time, I think the act itself like this is very worthy of discussion, you can be the consequences in terms of behavior, this thing to help solve the case, but I think the act itself may indeed have hit the local law .
Wang Lin: I remind the basis of our discussion, we discuss the human flesh search is actually a collection of concepts, it includes a good variety of conditions, including the vast majority of human flesh search made in the human flesh search After post-initiated call, the absence of the participation of Internet users, and slowly it disappeared, we can not say this part of the human flesh search is not human flesh search. still have some human flesh search, its influence is very small, probably only one or two small personal participation, we can not say this is not Jiaoren flesh search, we are discussing the pros and cons or the human flesh search Crime and Punishment problem, and not to say that as we have seen in the film, specifically those that we are talking about human flesh search is the evil of those cases.
Li Xiaomeng: Let me give an example, I think you also know that in Korea, woman dog feces incident, a girl on the subway, her dog shit, and some in seats, some on her legs, her own after her legs clean, there is no control on the seat, this behavior after being shot down and spread to the Internet, the result has fueled rushed to the attack, she can not afford such pressure, suicide , you think this is good, evil, monitoring what has brought itself?
Wang Lin: It can not be said to be good, can not be said to be evil, I am neither a point of view is that we can search for a person to be presumed he was guilty, we can not conversely, we can not assume that the search of human flesh he assumed his guilt or innocence in the law, we can only assume that he was innocent of an act.
Li Xiaomeng: You're to escape I cited the example itself, talking about your point of view, for this example, you talk about your views. those users are on a public morality, such a perspective, in criticizing her, the information coming out of her .
Wang Lin: I think the problem is that Internet users use more public information on what we call the South Korean subway this woman made a moral condemnation, and this eventually led to the moral condemnation of female subway suicide, rather than the act itself that this search.
Li Xiaomeng: he opened this stripped.
Wang Zhian: But in fact, that there is no latter without the former, in fact, in law, You can not in law constitute a causal relationship, but in fact there is indeed causal.
Liu Tai Long: not so, I think we could make this thing, we make a hypothesis, if the time was none other than the something sent to the Internet, was condemned at the time, or spread out through other media, and then finally led to her suicide, but you can say that human flesh search plans? First we open her condemnation of such , a variety of condemnation, led her to this great psychological pressure, and finally committed suicide, this is the result of a tragic result of her last reason.
Li Xiaomeng: But then if she met with passers-by, passers-by accused she is not able to know her name, live children, who she is, what kind of life background. Perhaps it is precisely the public, causing her stress, as we two first met, you criticize me, you call I am that you and hit planes, scattered may no longer know, it does not matter.
Liu Big Wave: We often see the kind of examples, such as the teacher criticized a student or a parent abused their own children, Finally, a child committed suicide, jumping off a building this thing, we should in recent years should see some of these reports, you can say that this is caused by the criticism itself up to his death?
Li Xiaomeng: I think he altered the idea, do you think?
Liu Tai Long: I do not altered the idea.
Wang Zhian: We follow the logic you go forward that we criticized in a small area and worldwide criticize someone, you admit you do not recognize a person's psychological effect that it is not the same.
Wang Zhian: I say the Internet age with the different non-network era, and he even on the bus, he was around this behavior condemned man, this is a limited range, but if you put him on the internet to become a weight loss around the world before, and I say it is network communication with the distinction between non-network communication.
Liu Tai Long: Because Do you think there is this difference, we argue that he did in the Internet age, we call this criticism, leading to criticism for this reason, I can not go onto the Internet.
Wang Zhian: No, I said to the people the meat must be limited search of promoters of the human flesh search engine to limit such behavior, if this information is set up there, I think this is not illegal, but if you do not personally believe that this behavior appropriate You publish information, not illegal, but not because of the publication of a collection order to add other people to form such a relationship, I think this is worth limit.
Liu Tai Long: I think you always, you put exposed human flesh search is equivalent to personal privacy, which I do not agree. your point of view is, you say human flesh search, you have to say privacy must be exposed.
Wang Lin: Assume Korea subway woman events are not announced out of the network, but a print media, we will discuss in turn, have criticized the print media, or to monitor such uncivilized phenomenon?
Wang Zhian: But civilians in the course of the media in general most of will be an alias.
Liu Big Wave: Network will not necessarily use the media.
Wang Zhian: In most cases, because it is the same as the publication it.
Li Xiaomeng: Wang Lin, they are very stressed, as is human monitor and promote good flesh search function, said the subway woman thing, this thing came out, is not someone to play with a puppy later on the subway, no longer afraid to let it pull in the feces The role of such seats.
Wang Zhian: There may be so, but we can not because to expect such an effect, have to pay such a price, because the costs and consequences of behavior do not match between the, This person just because of this behavior cost them their lives.
Li Xiaomeng: Wang Lin, they said, but it is not when I want it in the search for the purpose, not want to hurt her to the purpose of suicide. < br> Wang Zhian: But it does not control, it does not control the key is, the network was launched after human flesh who can terminate the search once? we can look to find the father of Guo Wenjun example, Guo Wenjun was because of this matter to find the father after the outbreak, many netizens spontaneously Looking for Guo Wenjun's father, and later fell into a huge Guo Wenjun's family embarrassment, and because the mandate of this behavior is not Guo Wenjun, their families do not want to face the past period of history, but who can end it? not terminated.
Li Xiaomeng: can not control, can not be terminated, it is not to be held to human flesh search for their own sin problem then?
Wang Lin: I do not think so, I give a very simple example, you can also support my point of view, Although I do not agree with the views of the case to support the party, the South China tiger in Shaanxi events are flat, if not impossible to find human flesh search for this New Year, if not this New Year, we can not prove that the South China tiger is a positive level paper tiger, if not the series of human flesh search, as well as its promotion of citizens to government information, a monitoring role, maybe we can see today in the County of Shaanxi Province, is a wild South China tiger nature reserve has been established, perhaps sit here today, we talk about a program that guests were Mr. Zhou Zhenglong, there are some other guests.
Wang Zhian: I think I understand the search for human flesh is not the same with Wang Lin, I do not understand the human flesh search referring to things, all of a person, if it is not referring to things called human flesh search.
Wang Lin: We can also change an example.
Wang Zhian: Jiaoren flesh of a person to search, it must be for a one.
Liu Big Wave: Wang's definition of the human flesh search has come for someone negative effect on him, but also his privacy.
Wang Zhian: not a negative.
Liu Big Wave: I If you feel that defined the case, I agree with your point of view.
Wang Lin: Chi An is not explained is that after you put the poster under control, how to control the users of these spontaneous provision of information thread behavior, this is a major human flesh search content, and not a main post.
Wang Zhian: You say you mean to say, even if some people do not collect, and people may auto-thread, right?
Wang Lin: Yes, because the event itself is a public event, such as child Catwoman we have just seen is a series of photos uploaded on the Internet after the formation of a public event, then led to a series human flesh search, and even the publication of the information, and if no one will have users launch published information related to this is yes.
Wang Zhian: Yes, I said, this behavior may not solve all the problems, It is this proposal, but it at least a considerable part of the problem can be solved.
Li Xiaomeng: Today is a fact, we exchange ideas and information, in the process there after hearing the views of each other in their views on the original a further reflection it?
Wang Lin: A new thing came out, through the national approach to limit it, but there is a way to adjust, that is, the people of this doctrine is the starting point of Chi An elder brother, from the protection of the rights of citizens departure, but also protect the privacy of citizens, and protect freedom of expression, rather than taking this approach I forbid you to post.
Wang Lin: This right has been violated what we should be based on a way to resolve I mean is that we resolve the network society itself, rather than through external administrative responsibilities to the legal responsibility to resolve it, the network society itself, as we all agree that it is a social.
Wang Lin: We are now ignored the network of autonomous self-government and industry, such as the End of the World community, they can not pass an autonomous act of their own to resolve the most evil out of which the man flesh search, as a small part left behind, one or two year to year are a human flesh search.
Li Xiaomeng: how can we hope that everyone has such high self-discipline it, if I am not a passive to be bound, why limit yourself to own it go?
Wang Lin: because the network is based on the market developed a new thing.
Wang Zhian: (You mean) hope to bear through social development part of the social adjustment function?
Wang Lin: small government, big community.
Wang Zhian: But I think this is probably a matter of fact the provisions of the law is the bottom line.
Wang Lin: To popularize this concept, if you get an example of the United States, the United States is the first industry of autonomy, then case, then bear criminal We are not a case law system, we have no way way through a case to solve this problem, this does not mean that China is very effective.
Li Xiaomeng: Notes on their safety and there is no basis, then the number of amendments their views before it?
Wang Zhian: Wang Lingang limit posting only say that with limited information collected so that the middle can not solve all the problems this issue, I think this is indeed possible that this is justified. I that such an outcome, so that actually have to solve this problem may also need, in fact, the laws of a deeper, in the end in the middle of this link search for human flesh, we ...